Lootman wrote:EthicsGradient wrote:Are you on board with taxing foreign gains at a much higher rate than genuine investment (or work) in the UK, then? That seems the logical point of your "people should feel incentivised to invest in businesses and opportunities because that is good for the nation and the economy".
No, in general I am opposed to such beggar-thy-neighbour differential tax policies. I fear such an implementation would trigger tit-for-tat "reprisal" tax increases for foreign individuals and entities investing in the UK and it would be a race to the bottom, that we would lose.
In fact to some extent we are already losing out. There is no CGT for foreigners investing in the UK. Nor is there any tax withholding on UK dividends paid out to foreigners. Erecting barriers to that open and inviting investment situation can hardly be good for the UK.
What I really find so depressing about the current political climate is how every party cannot look at someone being successful without thinking about how they can get their pound of flesh out of him, or her. In our desperation to prolong our doomed cradle-to-grave welfare entitlement system we will sacrifice the successful to save the failures, and punish our winners to rescue our losers.
Nobody ever built a great nation that way, ever.
But you are in favour of a beggar-thy-neighbour differential tax policy if it's "person with money to take risks with on markets anywhere in the world" versus "person who does useful work in the UK" - you say the useful work should be taxed at higher rate.
However, I'm not suggesting tax increases for foreign individuals and entities investing in the UK - I'm suggesting, from your wish for "investing in businesses and opportunities because that is good for the nation and the economy" that therefore UK people investing outside the UK should be taxed at a higher rate than UK people investing inside. From your idea of encouraging things that are good for the nation and the economy, this should be at a higher rate than income tax in the UK. This was kind of the spirit of the original PEPs, though I think a rule about what counts as UK investment would need to be more than "listed on the FTSE". I don't think there'd be "reprisals" for that; perhaps other countries might think "yes, we need more investment of our own capital at home too", but that's not a reprisal, it's using the idea. It's not as if British money is driving the world's investment economy.
Talking of PEPs, the "why is capital taxed so heavily" argument rather falls down when ISAs and pensions, with generous contribution limits of £20k and salary, are free of income and capital gains tax. It's people (including me, I should say) with plenty of capital who pay some CGT, on the amounts we haven't been able to shelter.
Our "doomed cradle-to-grave welfare entitlement system" educates people and keeps them healthy. Yes, that really is how you "build a great nation". And to run it, the tax system looks for who has more money than they need to barely exist, and taxes some of it. These are the people who do well from a country in which people get educated, kept healthy, and can then work in the businesses and opportunities you like.